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Lightning Network Will Likely Fail Due To Several Possible Reasons

ECONOMIC CASE IS ABSENT FOR MANY TRANSACTIONS
The median Bitcoin (BTC) fee is $14.41 currently. This has gone parabolic in the past few days. So, let’s use a number before this parabolic rise, which was $3.80. Using this number, opening and closing a Lightning Network (LN) channel means that you will pay $7.60 in fees. Most likely, the fee will be much higher for two reasons:
  1. BTC fees have been trending higher all year and will be higher by the time LN is ready
  2. When you are in the shoe store or restaurant, you will likely pay a higher fee so that you are not waiting there for one or more hours for confirmation.
Let’s say hypothetically that Visa or Paypal charges $1 per transaction. This means that Alice and Carol would need to do 8 or more LN transactions, otherwise it would be cheaper to use Visa or Paypal.
But it gets worse. Visa doesn’t charge the customer. To you, Visa and Cash are free. You would have no economic incentive to use BTC and LN.
Also, Visa does not charge $1 per transaction. They charge 3%, which is 60 cents on a $20 widget. Let’s say that merchants discount their widgets by 60 cents for non-Visa purchases, to pass the savings onto the customer. Nevertheless, no one is going to use BTC and LN to buy the widget unless 2 things happen:
  1. they buy more than 13 widgets from the same store ($7.60 divided by 60 cents)
  2. they know ahead of time that they will do this with that same store
This means that if you’re traveling, or want to tip content producers on the internet, you will likely not use BTC and LN. If you and your spouse want to try out a new restaurant, you will not use BTC and LN. If you buy shoes, you will not use BTC and LN.
ROAD BLOCKS FROM INSUFFICIENT FUNDS
Some argue that you do not need to open a channel to everyone, if there’s a route to that merchant. This article explains that if LN is a like a distributed mesh network, then another problem exists:
"third party needs to possess the necessary capital to process the transaction. If Alice and Bob do not have an open channel, and Alice wants to send Bob .5 BTC, they'll both need to be connected to a third party (or a series of 3rd parties). Say if Charles (the third party) only possesses .4 BTC in his respective payment channels with the other users, the transaction will not be able to go through that route. The longer the route, the more likely that a third party does not possess the requisite amount of BTC, thereby making it a useless connection.”
CENTRALIZATION
According to this visualization of LN on testnet, LN will be centralized around major hubs. It might be even more centralized than this visualization if the following are true:
  1. Users will want to connect to large hubs to minimize the number of times they need to open/close channels, which incur fees
  2. LN’s security and usability relies on 100% uptime of relaying parties
  3. Only large hubs with a lot of liquidity will be able to make money
  4. Hubs or intermediary nodes will need to be licensed as money transmitters, centralizing LN to exchanges and banks as large hubs
What will the impact be on censorship-resistance, trust-less and permission-less?
NEED TO BE LICENSED AS MONEY TRANSMITTER
Advocates for LN seem to talk a lot about the technology, but ignore the legalities.
FinCEN defines money transmitters. LN hubs and intermediary nodes seem to satisfy this definition.
Application of FinCEN's Regulations to Persons Administering, Exchanging, or Using Virtual Currencies
“…applicability of the regulations … to persons creating, obtaining, distributing, exchanging, accepting, or transmitting virtual currencies.”
“…an administrator or exchanger is an MSB under FinCEN's regulations, specifically, a money transmitter…”
"An administrator or exchanger that (1) accepts and transmits a convertible virtual currency or (2) buys or sells convertible virtual currency for any reason is a money transmitter under FinCEN's regulations…”
"FinCEN's regulations define the term "money transmitter" as a person that provides money transmission services, or any other person engaged in the transfer of funds. The term "money transmission services" means "the acceptance of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency from one person and the transmission of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency to another location or person by any means.””
"The definition of a money transmitter does not differentiate between real currencies and convertible virtual currencies.”
FinCEN’s regulations for IVTS:
"An “informal value transfer system” refers to any system, mechanism, or network of people that receives money for the purpose of making the funds or an equivalent value payable to a third party in another geographic location, whether or not in the same form.”
“…IVTS… must comply with all BSA registration, recordkeeping, reporting and AML program requirements.
“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are transferred on behalf of the public by any and all means including, but not limited to, transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…regulations require all money transmitting businesses…to register with FinCEN."
Mike Caldwell used to accept and mail bitcoins. Customers sent him bitcoins and he mailed physical bitcoins back or to a designated recipient. There is no exchange from one type of currency to another. FinCEN told him that he needed to be licensed as money transmitter, after which Caldwell stopped mailing out bitcoins.
ARGUMENTS AGAINST NEED FOR LICENSING
Some have argued that LN does not transfer BTC until the channel is closed on the blockchain. This is not a defence, since channels will close on the blockchain.
Some have argued that LN nodes do not take ownership of funds. Is this really true? Is this argument based on a technicality or hoping for a loophole? It seems intuitive that a good prosecutor can easily defeat this argument. Even if this loophole exists, can we count on the government to never close this loophole?
So, will LN hubs and intermediary nodes need to be licensed as money transmitters? If so, then Bob, who is the intermediary between Alice and Carol, will need a license. But Bob won’t have the money nor qualifications. Money transmitters need to pay $25,000 to $1 million, maintain capital levels and are subject to KYC/AML regulations1. In which case, LN will have mainly large hubs, run by financial firms, such as banks and exchanges.
Will the banks want this? Likely. Will they lobby the government to get it? Likely.
Some may be wondering about miners. FinCEN has declared that miners are not money transmitters:
https://coincenter.org/entry/aml-kyc-tokens :
"Subsequent administrative rulings clarified several remaining ambiguities: miners are not money transmitters…"
FinCEN Declares Bitcoin Miners, Investors Aren't Money Transmitters
Some argue that LN nodes will go through Tor and be anonymous. For this to work, will all of the nodes connecting to it, need to run Tor? If so, then how likely will this happen and will all of these people need to run Tor on every device (laptop, phone and tablet)? Furthermore, everyone of these people will be need to be sufficiently tech savvy to download, install and set up Tor. Will the common person be able to do this? Also, will law-abiding nodes, such as retailers or banks, risk their own livelihood by connecting to an illegal node? What is the likelihood of this?
Some argue that unlicensed LN hubs can run in foreign countries. Not true. According to FinCEN: "“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are…transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…” Also, foreign companies are not immune from the laws of other countries which have extradition agreements. The U.S. government has sued European banks over the LIBOR scandal. The U.S. government has charged foreign banks for money laundering and two of those banks pleaded guilty. Furthermore, most countries have similar laws. It is no coincidence that European exchanges comply with KYC/AML.
Will licensed, regulated LN hubs connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. Will Amazon or eBay connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. If you want to buy from Amazon, you’ll likely need to register yourself at a licensed, regulated LN hub, which means you’ll need to provide your identification photo.
Say goodbye to a censorship-resistant, trust-less and permission-less coin.
For a preview of what LN will probably look like, look at Coinbase or other large exchanges. It’s a centralized, regulated and censored hub. Coinbase allows users to send to each other off-chain. Coinbase provides user data to the IRS and disallows users from certain countries to sell BTC. You need to trust that no rogue employee in the exchange will steal your funds, or that a bank will not confiscate your funds as banks did in Cyprus. What if the government provides a list of users, who are late with their tax returns, to Coinbase and tells Coinbase to block those users from making transactions? You need Coinbase’s permission.
This would be the antithesis of why Satoshi created Bitcoin.
NEED TO REPORT TO IRS
The IRS has a definition for “third party settlement organization” and these need to report transactions to the IRS.
Though we do not know for sure yet, it can be argued that LN hubs satisfies this definition. If this is the case, who will be willing to be LN hubs, other than banks and exchanges?
To read about the discussion, go to:
Lightning Hubs Will Need To Report To IRS
COMPLEXITY
All cryptocurrencies are complicated for the common person. You may be tech savvy enough to find a secure wallet and use cryptocurrencies, but the masses are not as tech savvy as you.
LN adds a very complicated and convoluted layer to cryptocurrencies. It is bound to have bugs for years to come and it’s complicated to use. This article provides a good explanation of the complexity. Just from the screenshot of the app, the user now needs to learn additional terms and commands:
“On Chain”
“In Channels”
“In Limbo”
“Your Channel”
“Create Channel”
“CID”
“OPENING”
“PENDING-OPEN”
“Available to Receive”
“PENDING-FORCE-CLOSE”
There are also other things to learn, such as how funds need to be allocated to channels and time locks. Compare this to using your current wallet.
Recently, LN became even more complicated and convoluted. It needs a 3rd layer as well:
Scaling Bitcoin Might Require A Whole 'Nother Layer
How many additional steps does a user need to learn?
ALL COINS PLANNING OFF-CHAIN SCALING ARE AT RISK
Bitcoin Segwit, Litecoin, Vertcoin and possibly others (including Bitcoin Cash) are planning to implement LN or layer 2 scaling. Ethereum is planning to use Raiden Network, which is very similar to LN. If the above is true about LN, then the scaling roadmap for these coins is questionable at best, nullified at worst.
BLOCKSTREAM'S GAME PLAN IS ON TRACK
Blockstream employs several of the lead Bitcoin Core developers. Blockstream has said repeatedly that they want high fees. Quotes and source links can be found here.
Why is Blockstream so adamant on small blocks, high fees and off-chain scaling?
Small blocks, high fees and slow confirmations create demand for off-chain solutions, such as Liquid. Blockstream sells Liquid to exchanges to move Bitcoin quickly on a side-chain. LN will create liquidity hubs, such as exchanges, which will generate traffic and fees for exchanges. With this, exchanges will have a higher need for Liquid. This will be the main way that Blockstream will generate revenue for its investors, who invested $76 million. Otherwise, they can go bankrupt and die.
One of Blockstream’s investors/owners is AXA. AXA’s CEO and Chairman until 2016 was also the Chairman of Bilderberg Group. The Bilderberg Group is run by bankers and politicians (former prime ministers and nation leaders). According to GlobalResearch, Bilderberg Group wants “a One World Government (World Company) with a single, global marketplace…and financially regulated by one ‘World (Central) Bank’ using one global currency.” LN helps Bilderberg Group get one step closer to its goal.
Luke-Jr is one of the lead BTC developers in Core/Blockstream. Regulation of BTC is in-line with his beliefs. He is a big believer in the government, as he believes that the government should tax you and the “State has authority from God”. In fact, he has other radical beliefs as well:
So, having only large, regulated LN hubs is not a failure for Blockstream/Bilderberg. It’s a success. The title of this article should be changed to: "Lightning Will Fail Or Succeed, Depending On Whether You Are Satoshi Or Blockstream/Bilderberg".
SIGNIFICANT ADVANCEMENTS WITH ON-CHAIN SCALING
Meanwhile, some coins such as Ethereum and Bitcoin Cash are pushing ahead with on-chain scaling. Both are looking at Sharding.
Visa handles 2,000 transactions per second on average. Blockstream said that on-chain scaling will not work. The development teams for Bitcoin Cash have shown significant on-chain scaling:
1 GB block running on testnet demonstrates over 10,000 transactions per second:
"we are not going from 1MB to 1GB tomorrow — The purpose of going so high is to prove that it can be done — no second layer is necessary”
"Preliminary Findings Demonstrate Over 10,000 Transactions Per Second"
"Gigablock testnet initiative will likely be implemented first on Bitcoin Cash”
Peter Rizun, Andrew Stone -- 1 GB Block Tests -- Scaling Bitcoin Stanford At 13:55 in this video, Rizun said that he thinks that Visa level can be achieved with a 4-core/16GB machine with better implementations (modifying the code to take advantage of parallelization.)
Bitcoin Cash plans to fix malleability and enable layer 2 solutions:
The Future of “Bitcoin Cash:” An Interview with Bitcoin ABC lead developer Amaury Séchet:
"fixing malleability and enabling Layer 2 solutions will happen”
However, it is questionable if layer 2 will work or is needed.
GOING FORWARD
The four year scaling debate and in-fighting is what caused small blockers (Blockstream) to fork Bitcoin by adding Segwit and big blockers to fork Bitcoin into Bitcoin Cash. Read:
Bitcoin Divorce - Bitcoin [Legacy] vs Bitcoin Cash Explained
It will be interesting to see how they scale going forward.
Scaling will be instrumental in getting network effect and to be widely adopted as a currency. Whichever Coin Has The Most Network Effect Will Take All (Or Most) (BTC has little network effect, and it's shrinking.)
The ability to scale will be key to the long term success of any coin.
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Top 5 Rare Facts about Bitcoin Cryptocurrency

Top 5 Rare Facts about Bitcoin Cryptocurrency
Most crypto enthusiasts must have probably come across unusual stories about cryptocurrencies. For instance, how an American Laszlo Hanyecz bought a pizza for 10 000 coins in 2010. In this article we will touch upon 5 unbelievable facts about BTC cryptocurrency.
  1. Launch of a game about mining digital currencies
A Byelorussian company “Boolba Entertainment” will launch a mining activity simulator in 2019. Within the game a crypto ecosystem will be created where the player will have to build their own farm, pay for electricity, buy goods for digital means and so on.
If the virtual miner won’t be able to solve the game’s tasks, he may choose to sell their own kidney – an option kindly provided by the game developers.
  1. Bitcoins can be earned by simply playing Counter Strike
Indeed, the dream of lots of school kids, spending hours behind the computer and playing Counter Strike, came true. Thanks to the most famous cryptocurrency and Leetcoin project that is currently being beta-tested, it is possible now to play the favorite game whilst earning bitcoin.
That is our top 5 unusual facts about bitcoin cryptocurrency. Comment down below which fact you found most interesting. Also, you can tell about your unusual situations connected with digital currencies.
  1. An attempt to create physical BTC coins
Casascius is a physical equivalent of bitcoins. The tokens are colored yellow and have a Bitcoin sign. It is them you see in the pictures that are to do with digital currencies on the internet.
These items also serve well as a cold storage for cryptocurrencies. Each coin has a "private key" to the digital equivalent on the inside, underneath the hologram. Unfortunately, the product didn’t gain popularity among crypto enthusiasts.
  1. Multiple-fold increase of bitcoin price
BTC is the fastest growing asset in the world. During the period between 2010 and 2017 its price has increased 879 999-fold. Nonetheless, the fast growth in price also has negative sides. Thus, the largest drop in price of this crypto-asset took place in the middle of spring 2013. The drop in price constituted 80 per cent.
1.Lamborghini’s trust in bitcoins
You must be familiar with such a popular auto company as Lamborghini. So, this auto corporation is one of the first organizations that started accepting bitcoins officially when making deals with their clients.
The torch was taken up by the company Skycraft Airplanes which specializes in producing sport airplanes.
However, the interest to bitcoins from large companies did not stop there. There’s information that soon BTC coins will even be used as payment for space flights. For instance, such are the plans of Orion Span project.
That is our top 5 unusual facts about bitcoin cryptocurrency. Comment down below which fact you found most interesting. Also, you can tell about your unusual situations connected with digital currencies.


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Lightning Network Will Likely Fail Due To Several Possible Reasons

ECONOMIC CASE IS ABSENT FOR MANY TRANSACTIONS
The median Bitcoin (BTC) fee is $14.41 currently. This has gone parabolic in the past few days. So, let’s use a number before this parabolic rise, which was $3.80. Using this number, opening and closing a Lightning Network (LN) channel means that you will pay $7.60 in fees. Most likely, the fee will be much higher for two reasons:
  1. BTC fees have been trending higher all year and will be higher by the time LN is ready
  2. When you are in the shoe store or restaurant, you will likely pay a higher fee so that you are not waiting there for one or more hours for confirmation.
Let’s say hypothetically that Visa or Paypal charges $1 per transaction. This means that Alice and Carol would need to do 8 or more LN transactions, otherwise it would be cheaper to use Visa or Paypal.
But it gets worse. Visa doesn’t charge the customer. To you, Visa and Cash are free. You would have no economic incentive to use BTC and LN.
Also, Visa does not charge $1 per transaction. They charge 3%, which is 60 cents on a $20 widget. Let’s say that merchants discount their widgets by 60 cents for non-Visa purchases, to pass the savings onto the customer. Nevertheless, no one is going to use BTC and LN to buy the widget unless 2 things happen:
  1. they buy more than 13 widgets from the same store ($7.60 divided by 60 cents)
  2. they know ahead of time that they will do this with that same store
This means that if you’re traveling, or want to tip content producers on the internet, you will likely not use BTC and LN. If you and your spouse want to try out a new restaurant, you will not use BTC and LN. If you buy shoes, you will not use BTC and LN.
ROAD BLOCKS FROM INSUFFICIENT FUNDS
Some argue that you do not need to open a channel to everyone, if there’s a route to that merchant. This article explains that if LN is like a distributed mesh network, then another problem exists:
"third party needs to possess the necessary capital to process the transaction. If Alice and Bob do not have an open channel, and Alice wants to send Bob .5 BTC, they'll both need to be connected to a third party (or a series of 3rd parties). Say if Charles (the third party) only possesses .4 BTC in his respective payment channels with the other users, the transaction will not be able to go through that route. The longer the route, the more likely that a third party does not possess the requisite amount of BTC, thereby making it a useless connection.”
CENTRALIZATION
According to this visualization of LN on testnet, LN will be centralized around major hubs. It might be even more centralized than this visualization if the following are true:
  1. Users will want to connect to large hubs to minimize the number of times they need to open/close channels, which incur fees
  2. LN’s security and usability relies on 100% uptime of relaying parties
  3. Only large hubs with a lot of liquidity will be able to make money
  4. Hubs or intermediary nodes will need to be licensed as money transmitters, centralizing LN to exchanges and banks as large hubs
What will the impact be on censorship-resistance, trust-less and permission-less?
NEED TO BE LICENSED AS MONEY TRANSMITTER
Advocates for LN seem to talk a lot about the technology, but ignore the legalities.
FinCEN defines money transmitters. LN hubs and intermediary nodes seem to satisfy this definition.
Application of FinCEN's Regulations to Persons Administering, Exchanging, or Using Virtual Currencies
“…applicability of the regulations … to persons creating, obtaining, distributing, exchanging, accepting, or transmitting virtual currencies.”
“…an administrator or exchanger is an MSB under FinCEN's regulations, specifically, a money transmitter…”
"An administrator or exchanger that (1) accepts and transmits a convertible virtual currency or (2) buys or sells convertible virtual currency for any reason is a money transmitter under FinCEN's regulations…”
"FinCEN's regulations define the term "money transmitter" as a person that provides money transmission services, or any other person engaged in the transfer of funds. The term "money transmission services" means "the acceptance of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency from one person and the transmission of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency to another location or person by any means.””
"The definition of a money transmitter does not differentiate between real currencies and convertible virtual currencies.”
FinCEN’s regulations for IVTS:
"An “informal value transfer system” refers to any system, mechanism, or network of people that receives money for the purpose of making the funds or an equivalent value payable to a third party in another geographic location, whether or not in the same form.”
“…IVTS… must comply with all BSA registration, recordkeeping, reporting and AML program requirements.
“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are transferred on behalf of the public by any and all means including, but not limited to, transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…regulations require all money transmitting businesses…to register with FinCEN."
Mike Caldwell used to accept and mail bitcoins. Customers sent him bitcoins and he mailed physical bitcoins back or to a designated recipient. There is no exchange from one type of currency to another. FinCEN told him that he needed to be licensed as money transmitter, after which Caldwell stopped mailing out bitcoins.
ARGUMENTS AGAINST NEED FOR LICENSING
Some have argued that LN does not transfer BTC until the channel is closed on the blockchain. This is not a defence, since channels will close on the blockchain.
Some have argued that LN nodes do not take ownership of funds. Is this really true? Is this argument based on a technicality or hoping for a loophole? It seems intuitive that a good prosecutor can easily defeat this argument. Even if this loophole exists, can we count on the government to never close this loophole?
So, will LN hubs and intermediary nodes need to be licensed as money transmitters? If so, then Bob, who is the intermediary between Alice and Carol, will need a license. But Bob won’t have the money nor qualifications. Money transmitters need to pay $25,000 to $1 million, maintain capital levels and are subject to KYC/AML regulations1. In which case, LN will have mainly large hubs, run by financial firms, such as banks and exchanges.
Will the banks want this? Likely. Will they lobby the government to get it? Likely.
Some may be wondering about miners. FinCEN has declared that miners are not money transmitters:
https://coincenter.org/entry/aml-kyc-tokens :
"Subsequent administrative rulings clarified several remaining ambiguities: miners are not money transmitters…"
FinCEN Declares Bitcoin Miners, Investors Aren't Money Transmitters
Some argue that LN nodes will go through Tor and be anonymous. For this to work, will all of the nodes connecting to it, need to run Tor? If so, then how likely will this happen and will all of these people need to run Tor on every device (laptop, phone and tablet)? Furthermore, everyone of these people will be need to be sufficiently tech savvy to download, install and set up Tor. Will the common person be able to do this? Also, will law-abiding nodes, such as retailers or banks, risk their own livelihood by connecting to an illegal node? What is the likelihood of this?
Some argue that unlicensed LN hubs can run in foreign countries. Not true. According to FinCEN: "“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are…transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…” Also, foreign companies are not immune from the laws of other countries which have extradition agreements. The U.S. government has sued European banks over the LIBOR scandal. The U.S. government has charged foreign banks for money laundering and two of those banks pleaded guilty. Furthermore, most countries have similar laws. It is no coincidence that European exchanges comply with KYC/AML.
Will licensed, regulated LN hubs connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. Will Amazon or eBay connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. If you want to buy from Amazon, you’ll likely need to register yourself at a licensed, regulated LN hub, which means you’ll need to provide your identification photo.
Say goodbye to a censorship-resistant, trust-less and permission-less coin.
For a preview of what LN will probably look like, look at Coinbase or other large exchanges. It’s a centralized, regulated and censored hub. Coinbase allows users to send to each other off-chain. Coinbase provides user data to the IRS and disallows users from certain countries to sell BTC. You need to trust that no rogue employee in the exchange will steal your funds, or that a bank will not confiscate your funds as banks did in Cyprus. What if the government provides a list of users, who are late with their tax returns, to Coinbase and tells Coinbase to block those users from making transactions? You need Coinbase’s permission.
This would be the antithesis of why Satoshi created Bitcoin.
NEED TO REPORT TO IRS
The IRS has a definition for “third party settlement organization” and these need to report transactions to the IRS.
Though we do not know for sure yet, it can be argued that LN hubs satisfies this definition. If this is the case, who will be willing to be LN hubs, other than banks and exchanges?
To read about the discussion, go to:
Lightning Hubs Will Need To Report To IRS
COMPLEXITY
All cryptocurrencies are complicated for the common person. You may be tech savvy enough to find a secure wallet and use cryptocurrencies, but the masses are not as tech savvy as you.
LN adds a very complicated and convoluted layer to cryptocurrencies. It is bound to have bugs for years to come and it’s complicated to use. This article provides a good explanation of the complexity. Just from the screenshot of the app, the user now needs to learn additional terms and commands:
“On Chain”
“In Channels”
“In Limbo”
“Your Channel”
“Create Channel”
“CID”
“OPENING”
“PENDING-OPEN”
“Available to Receive”
“PENDING-FORCE-CLOSE”
There are also other things to learn, such as how funds need to be allocated to channels and time locks. Compare this to using your current wallet.
Recently, LN became even more complicated and convoluted. It needs a 3rd layer as well:
Scaling Bitcoin Might Require A Whole 'Nother Layer
How many additional steps does a user need to learn?
ALL COINS PLANNING OFF-CHAIN SCALING ARE AT RISK
Bitcoin Segwit, Litecoin, Vertcoin and possibly others (including Bitcoin Cash) are planning to implement LN or layer 2 scaling. Ethereum is planning to use Raiden Network, which is very similar to LN. If the above is true about LN, then the scaling roadmap for these coins is questionable at best, nullified at worst.
BLOCKSTREAM'S GAME PLAN IS ON TRACK
Blockstream employs several of the lead Bitcoin Core developers. Blockstream has said repeatedly that they want high fees. Quotes and source links can be found here.
Why is Blockstream so adamant on small blocks, high fees and off-chain scaling?
Small blocks, high fees and slow confirmations create demand for off-chain solutions, such as Liquid. Blockstream sells Liquid to exchanges to move Bitcoin quickly on a side-chain. LN will create liquidity hubs, such as exchanges, which will generate traffic and fees for exchanges. With this, exchanges will have a higher need for Liquid. This will be the main way that Blockstream will generate revenue for its investors, who invested $76 million. Otherwise, they can go bankrupt and die.
One of Blockstream’s investors/owners is AXA. AXA’s CEO and Chairman until 2016 was also the Chairman of Bilderberg Group. The Bilderberg Group is run by bankers and politicians (former prime ministers and nation leaders). According to GlobalResearch, Bilderberg Group wants “a One World Government (World Company) with a single, global marketplace…and financially regulated by one ‘World (Central) Bank’ using one global currency.” LN helps Bilderberg Group get one step closer to its goal.
Luke-Jr is one of the lead BTC developers in Core/Blockstream. Regulation of BTC is in-line with his beliefs. He is a big believer in the government, as he believes that the government should tax you and the “State has authority from God”. In fact, he has other radical beliefs as well:
So, having only large, regulated LN hubs is not a failure for Blockstream/Bilderberg. It’s a success. The title of this article should be changed to: "Lightning Will Fail Or Succeed, Depending On Whether You Are Satoshi Or Blockstream/Bilderberg".
SIGNIFICANT ADVANCEMENTS WITH ON-CHAIN SCALING
Meanwhile, some coins such as Ethereum and Bitcoin Cash are pushing ahead with on-chain scaling. Both are looking at Sharding.
Visa handles 2,000 transactions per second on average. Blockstream said that on-chain scaling will not work. The development teams for Bitcoin Cash have shown significant on-chain scaling:
1 GB block running on testnet demonstrates over 10,000 transactions per second:
"we are not going from 1MB to 1GB tomorrow — The purpose of going so high is to prove that it can be done — no second layer is necessary”
"Preliminary Findings Demonstrate Over 10,000 Transactions Per Second"
"Gigablock testnet initiative will likely be implemented first on Bitcoin Cash”
Peter Rizun, Andrew Stone -- 1 GB Block Tests -- Scaling Bitcoin Stanford At 13:55 in this video, Rizun said that he thinks that Visa level can be achieved with a 4-core/16GB machine with better implementations (modifying the code to take advantage of parallelization.)
Bitcoin Cash plans to fix malleability and enable layer 2 solutions:
The Future of “Bitcoin Cash:” An Interview with Bitcoin ABC lead developer Amaury Séchet:
"fixing malleability and enabling Layer 2 solutions will happen”
However, it is questionable if layer 2 will work or is needed.
GOING FORWARD
The four year scaling debate and in-fighting is what caused small blockers (Blockstream) to fork Bitcoin by adding Segwit and big blockers to fork Bitcoin into Bitcoin Cash. Read:
Bitcoin Divorce - Bitcoin [Legacy] vs Bitcoin Cash Explained
It will be interesting to see how they scale going forward.
Scaling will be instrumental in getting network effect and to be widely adopted as a currency. Whichever Coin Has The Most Network Effect Will Take All (Or Most) (BTC has little network effect, and it's shrinking.)
The ability to scale will be key to the long term success of any coin.
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There is a 30 day comment period for the current Bitlicense proposal. Unless there are substantial changes, New York will be a Bitcoin dead zone

The 30 day comment period starts next week. Bitlicense, as proposed will force most companies that store customer BTC deposits to block New York IP addresses. There is very little chance that Lawsky will make any further changes to it, so what will this mean for Bitcoin around the world?
EDIT, as a reminder:
This is how the Bitlicense will affect Bitcoin businesses, taken from here:
http://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/2aycxs/hi_this_is_ben_lawsky_at_nydfs_here_are_the/cizyqyz
(I've added modifications in light of changes in the new proposal and information that I found was missing in the original write-up)
Entities are considered dealing in virtual currencies if:
.. to any resident in New York. Web services, even those incorporated overseas, must either comply or block access for NY users. (200.2n)
Entities 'dealing in virtual currency' must:
Added:
The (only?) good news: Merchants do not need a BitLicense to accept Bitcoin for a good or service. (200.3c2).
> This post was created for general guidance, and does not constitute legal advice. You should not act upon the information contained in this publication without obtaining specific advice from a professional. No representation or warranty (expressed or implied) is given as to the accuracy or completeness of the information contained in this post.
EDIT 2, targetpro suggested expressing any concerns you may have about the proposed regs to the NY Dept. of Finan. Services:
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Hi Departments of Financial Services, Here is the proposed Virtual Currency Regulator Application

In developing this regulatory framework, we have sought to strike an appropriate balance that helps protect individuals, consumers, businesses, services, and innovators, while rooting out unscrupulous and over-reaching regulatory activity. These regulations include provisions to help safeguard customer assets, protect against unwarranted account freezes or seizures, and prevent the regulatory abuse of virtual currencies from unethical activity, such as widespread warrantless monitoring, disclosure of private information, dictation as to how users engaged in P2P or non-fiat transfers can spend their money, and scapegoating.
We recognize that not everyone in the regulatory community will be pleased about the prospect of what could be seen as a barrier to their regulatory authority. Ultimately, though, we believe that setting up common sense rules of the road is vital to the long-term future of the virtual currency industry, as well as the safety and soundness of customer assets. (We think the situation in New York, for example, made that very clear.) Moreover, given that P2P decentralized networks are stateless, headless, community consensus driven bodies, we also have a moral obligation to move forward on this framework.
Entities are considered "interested in regulating virtual currencies" if:
... in a manner that would affect any current or prospective member of the human race.
Entities "interested in regulating virtual currencies" must:
As the first decentralized community to put forward specially tailored rules for virtual currency regulators – continued public feedback will be an important part of finalizing this regulatory framework. We look forward to carefully and thoughtfully reviewing public comments on our proposal.
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My bitcoin value has surpassed my decade long stock account

Throwaway account because I'm revealing more than I want tied to my primary account.
I'll put the TL;DR at the top.
TL;DR: Apparently, I'm well off and 2 years of bitcoins are worth more than 10 years of stock market investment.
I'm nearly 50 years old. A few years out of college and I just barely broke $20k salary. That was worth more than $20k today, but was still a lousy wage with college loan debt. I briefly (1.5 years) had a dotcom job at the turn of the millineum making more than I do now, but I had never had money like that before and boosted the economy instead of putting any aside. I did get some nice toys, though.
Add on another 1.5 years of unemployment, living off my wife's meager salary and a few odd under-the-table jobs, and I finally landed a decent paying job again. Nothing like the dotcom days, but close. However, I'd learned we could live on much less and I wanted a cushion. I dumped tons into my 401k, my savings account and opened a Scottrade account. A little money goes each month to savings and Scottrade.
Roughly ten years later, my 401k is about 3 times my annual income. The Scottrade account is about 30% of it.
Two years ago, I heard about bitcoin on Slashdot. It sounded interesting. I started mining on my son's gaming machine, which meant it was only mining when my son wasn't playing games and if he remembered to start the miner when he was done.
I mined solo for a few days, and quickly joined a mining pool. I was getting a bitcoin every three or four days initially. That didn't last long.
I opened a MtGox account, added some cash and purchased btc almost at the height of the 2011 spike.
I felt like an idiot.
I bought some Casascius coins. I left my MtGox account alone.
This was also around the time the 99% protests were going on. I felt very sympathetic. I remember in reading about the protests, I stumbled across a site that showed what percentage people were based on annual income. With mine and my wife's income, I was above the 90th percentile and below the 95th. I remember the horror and disbelief I felt.
Througout it all, I continued mining. I got lucky during the early 2013 spike and sold some of the MtGox stuff I'd had sitting there. I also got a high end SLR camera at bitcoinstore.com almost at the peak. I was feeling pretty good.
I bought a ButterflyLabs Jalapeno with bitcoins just before that first 2013 spike. I also stopped even trying to mine with a graphics card soon after that because it made no sense. I did eventually get delivery of the Jalapeno. It's earned almost .68 bitcoins. Don't ask what it cost in bitcoins, because I don't remember and I don't want to know.
After realizing my MtGox profits couldn't be pulled out in dollars in any reasonable timeframe, I converted them to bitcoins and pulled them out. I got more bitcoins than I sold them for, but not by much.
So, now I own bitcoins in the high 2 digits, about a third of them are still in physical Casascius coins. I only have an account on MtGox, so I have no real way of converting any of them to cash. I still have $100 sitting in the MtGox account, which I should have converted into bitcoins and pulled out long ago, but I'm frustrated by the premium bitcoins require in USD on MtGox.
For nearly ten years, I've been putting money in my Scottrade account. I saw the collapse in 2008 and mostly held. I bought bank stocks at that time and made a killing. That killing was offset by the REITs I'd invested in before the crash.
In ten years of regular transfers to Scottrade and investment that has gotten better as I've gotten older and more cynical, I've accumulate about 30% of my annual income.
In the last few days, even with the purchase of a cool SLR and the cut involved in Casascius coin purchases, my double-digit bitcoin ownership has now surpassed my Scottrade account in value. I don't have an easy way of converting that bitcoin to USD, but I'm also not concerned about that because I think that easy methods will exist soon.
I fully expect that my bitcoins will be worth less in the near future. However, I believe in the long term, they'll be worth more and that I'll have a number of easier possibilities for converting them to USD if I want to.
I also believe the analogies to the early WWW are flawed. I think analogies to the IP protocol are more apt and that we've only begun to imagine the possibilities.
I'm in it for the long haul. They'll either be worth nothing or much more than now. And, if I add up my electricity costs and the small investment I made during the spike in 2011, I'm still ahead of the game because I have an SLR camera that my wife would never have let me buy with cash.
I'm already ahead of the game and I think the game hasn't even started.
EDIT: Grammar
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Selling some Physical Bitcoins & other cryptos! Fair Prices!

Verification and More Pictures
Pictures of Lealana Brass, I forgot to add some to the main album
Hey guys, I have a huge collection of physical Bitcoins & other physical cryptos, and I'm selling a few extras just to be able to buy 1 or more coins still on my "Wish List." I love all coins in general, but these are my favorite to collect followed by old world silver coinage & Norfed Liberty Dollars. I haven't sold much on Reddit yet, but I have a 100% positive feedback eBay account and also a lot of positive trust feedback on Bitcointalk.org.
eBay Account and BitcoinTalk profile (click on "trust" to see feedback)
Added some brief information about the coins in italics
For Sale:
MicroSoul's original coins were minted in the UK. Low mintage, but not sure off the top of my head what the numbers were. They released a couple series and some in .999 fine silver.
These coins came from Crypto Imperator in Spain. They have released these 10,000 Dogecoins made of brass- total mintage of 500, and did a limited run of only 25 coins in .999 fine silver containing it's face value of 100,000 Dogecoins, and are currently working on a run of only 10 .999 fine gold 1,000,000 Dogecoins. There are 5 left of 10, check here for more info. They also made 1 physical Bitcoin, all are very finely made beautiful coins. CI's coins are in no way related to the Silver bullion Dogecoin coins you may have seen.
bhcoins come from a pair in Argentina. They have released 4 different series in the past few years. These coins are from Series 3 and a mintage of only 200, with the first 20 reserved by the creators.
Cryptolator is based in Canada but minted at the esteemed Northwest Territorial Mint in Washington state. Their only design so far was the Unchained Series, minted in .999 fine silver, copper, Merlin Gold, antique copper, and antique brass. These copper coins listed are from a limited mintage of 500. The the coin is minted with proof-like quality and features the "Unchained Series" design, according to the maker: "The artist's design on the face of the coin represents us breaking free from the "chains that bind us" to the banks. In front of the bank, there is a pig and a dog sitting (the pig representing a banker & the dog a businessman), and the people running from the collapsing bank are considered as the sheep that are freeing themselves. This is a reference to the Pink Floyd album, Animals. The crying eye at the top of the bank is the Illuminati eye that is now closed and crying, the sad "pig" bankers who have lost from the liberating peer-to-peer money system that is Bitcoin."
Lealana is based in Hawaii but these coins were minted at the Northwest Territorial mint in Washington state. They are most known for their Lealana Litecoins, which were minted in silver and early followers after the trailblazing Casascius Bitcoins
These Lealana coins are the "Buyer Funded" model, and do not contain or come with any digital Bitcoin value, but any amount of Bitcoin can be loaded onto them for cold storage. They have a unique Bitcoin address assigned to them with private key inside. In this case the denomination or face value of 0.1 Bitcoin is just a suggestion; any amount of BTC can be sent to the coins
All coins are in mint condition (have never been handled) or the condition they were in coming from their maker. Not really in any hurry to sell these coins and don't need the money, so probably won't come down a ton on price, but can negotiate discounts if buying a few. I feel like these prices are pretty fair based off of current and past sales of similar coins.
Payment Info:
Will take payment in Bitcoin or PayPal Friends & Family (leave note line blank), and/or will accept PayPal G&S +3% from trusted members with positive feedback.
Shipping Info:
Free standard tracked shipping for US residents (this will be a small bubble mailer with First Class postage) or you can add $3 and I will bump you up to 2-Day Priority with a Small Flat Rate Box.
Willing to ship nearly anywhere in the world. I will always try to ship for as fair a price as possible, so if you're outside the US and want to buy, ask for a quote and I will see what options we have.
Will Ship Same Day Payment is Received 99% of the Time!
Any Questions Just Ask! Thanks
About Physical Bitcoins/other cryptos:
In 2011 a man named Mike Caldwell, an avid supporter of cryptography and Bitcoin, had an idea to mint physical coins that could represent digital Bitcoin value in a more conventional way, so that more people would be able to conceptualize and understand this new digital cryptocurrency technology. He came up with a way to mint a physical coin that actually contained the digital Bitcoin value it represented. On one side of the coin, he had a recessed groove stamped into it. He then securely and safely generated new Bitcoin address public & private keys, printing the private keys (needed to spend the funds) and placing them in the recessed groove. He then had complex & layered tamper-evident holograms created to cover the private key, which served 2 purposes: 1- these complex holograms made it harder to ever create a believable counterfeit of his coins, and 2- when the holograms were peeled back exposing the private key needed to spend the funds, it left a honeycomb pattern behind, which would instantly tell someone considering buying one on the 2nd market whether the coin still contained its valuable BTC funds, or if it had been spent. He called his coins Casascius physical Bitcoins, and they proved to be very popular, with several different denominations and Series released over a couple years' time. Today these coins are highly valued & sought after collectors' items. Many individuals, groups, and companies followed suit in the years that followed, designing and minting their own physical crypto coins. And that's where we are today with these coins I have for sale. :) I tried my best to explain how physical Bitcoins work in a limited space, but it is hard to fully summarize such a topic in so few words, so if you have any questions just ask!
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Help Numisalis Physical Bitcoin get off the ground

Hey everyone! I just started an Indiegogo campaign to get my company, Numisalis, off the ground. I want to make a physical bitcoin that addresses many of the issues I see in the physical bitcoin market.
Indiegogo campaign
Numisalis web site
The overarching issue I see is that physical bitcoin are not tradable. They are collector's items, they are non-durable, or they are both. Here is a list of problems and what I am doing to resolve them:
I have been involved with Bitcoin for over 2 1/2 years. I am a huge advocate and I think the protocol is pretty great as it is. But I also believe physical bitcoin is valuable and extremely healthy for the bitcoin ecosystem.
I have a friend who purchased a bitcoin from me. He asked if he could just take one of my Casascius coins. I told him it would cost him a lot more than he paid me. He is a programmer but does not want to manage his own digital assets and I really can't blame him. This project is a response to that situation. I want people like him to have a reasonable option for making physical transactions.
Why am I doing an Indiegogo campaign for fiat? I thought about fundraising with bitcoin. I don't mind the "hassle" of converting bitcoin to fiat to pay suppliers who don't take bitcoin, but delayed payment does not work well with bitcoin. If the price drops and I can't pay for supplies and the project is sidelined that is not fair to my customers. If the price spikes I don't think it is fair to my customers if I profit off my luck at their expense. Bitcoin is great for instant payment. But not delayed payment. When the campaign is over and I will only take orders through my website I will only take payment in bitcoin.
Aren't you worried about what happened with Casascius and FinCen? FinCen deals with money laundering. I will not be charging your coins with bitcoin for you. I will be taking payment for a cold storage solution. I will provide a script for creating a proper transaction to charge the coins I sent, but you will be charging them with your own bitcoin.
Why do I need to raise money? Why not just take orders? There is a large up front cost when producing plastics. This campaign takes care of that and the costs of the first run of coins. Once that is complete everything will run as orders from my website.
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[WTS] Physical Dogecoins from Spain that contain their Face Value of 10,000 DOGE! Only 500 Minted! Plus Shibanu Dogecoins from the EU <500 Minted!

EDIT: 10/9/15 - I have updated the listing as 2 of the coins have been Sold. There are still 3 of the Crypto Imperator 10,000 DOGE coins left that are truly some beautiful coins, and each contain their Face Value/Denomination of 10,000 Dogecoins, yet any amount can be sent to its address and the coin used as a secure cold storage wallet. Their holograms are Visually Stunning!
Check my personal Limited Edition #95 CI 10,000 Dogecoin graded MS67 by ANACS in the photo album; it is a beautiful coin! It is the last 2 pictures; the very last pic is a duplicate and not the MS67.
Verification and More Pictures (Sorry the verification date is a few days old; I took the pictures and planned on listing them but it was a pretty hectic week)
Click for Full Size/Higher Resolution!
Hey guys, I have a huge collection of physical Bitcoins & other physical cryptos (such as these physical Dogecoins), and I'm selling a few extras. I love all coins in general, but these are my favorite to collect closely followed by old world silver coinage & Norfed Liberty Dollars.
Here is some of my feedback from Reddit sales
Here is my eBay profile with 100% Feedback
Here is my BitcoinTalk profile, where I have probably had the most dealings (Click on "Trust" to see Feedback)
(4 3 Available) Crypto Imperator 10,000 Dogecoins, and some background info. below:
Price per Crypto Imperator 10,000 Dogecoin -- $24
First coming out of Spain in 2014, the 10,000 Dogecoin Series were the first coins ever released by Crypto Imperator, now an established and respected manufacturer of physical crypto coins. With a very low mintage of only 500 coins, some excellent minting strikes, and beautifully complex security holograms, these coins were a hit from the start and quickly sold out. The first wallet-type physical Dogecoins ever minted, each coin contains its face value of 10,000 Dogecoins.
The zinc-alloy 10,000 Dogecoin was first released in June 2014 and is 39mm in diameter with a thickness of 3mm. The denomination on the face of the coin is "10,000 DOGE", and each coin was funded with that amount of Dogecoins by the creator. An appealing yet complex tamper-evident security hologram covers the private key to a unique Dogecoin address containing the coin's funds. The coin can be funded with any amount of extra Dogecoin by the buyer if desired, and can be used as a secure cold storage Dogecoin wallet. If you are ever ready to spend the funds contained within the coin, simply peel the hologram off of the coin to reveal the private key, which you can then import into your Dogecoin wallet of choice (however this will probably reduce the value of the coin as a collectible).
The obverse of the coin features a large centered portrait of a shiba inu dog, the dog breed famous for the "Doge" internet memes and the cryptocurrency Dogecoin. Next to the 'Shibe' is the word "Wow" written in the appropriately chosen font of 'Comic Sans'. Above the Doge portrait reads the slogan, "in shibes we trust", and on the bottom of the coin the denomination "10,000 DOGE" is stamped.
On the coin's reverse is the manufacturer's name "CryptoImperator" across the top and its year of minting "2014" along the bottom, the two sets of writing separated by a beautiful floral print that goes up both sides like a vine. In the center of the coin the tamper-evident security hologram is placed, covering up the coin's private key. Crypto Imperator's hologram is one of the best; there are so many different layers in it and each has a different look depending on which angle it is viewed from (which is why I included so many different pictures). Among the different features that can be seen in the hologram are the words "Crypto Imperator Original", a rocket flying to the moon with the words "To The Moon" present, and a Roman-type figure above 2 pillars and the words "Crypto Imperator". In the center of the hologram a small window is cutout, showing the first 8 characters, or 'First Bits', of the coin's Dogecoin address.
SOLD! (1 Available) Shibanu 50,000 Dogecoin (Un-Funded, DIY physical Dogecoin) and some background info. below:
Price for the Shibanu Dogecoin -- $24 SOLD!
The very first coin released in September 2015 by Shibanu (a new physical crypto coin maker), the Shibanu 50,000 Dogecoin coin is a DIY physical Dogecoin. Each purchase includes 1 coin in a protective flip, and 1 tamper-evident security hologram (for placing a private key and assembling the coin if you choose to do so). This coin has a beautiful gold-plated finish that just shines and pictures do not do it justice.
The Shibanu 50,000 DOGE coin was first released in early September 2015 and is 38mm in diameter with a thickness of 2.5mm, composed of Zinc Alloy with a beautiful and lustrous Gold-Plated finish. The recommended denomination on the face of the coin is 50,000 DOGE, but these coins are unfunded as they were originally sold, and any amount of Dogecoin can be loaded onto them if desired. They can be used as a secure cold storage Dogecoin wallet if you choose to print and place a private key and assemble the coin with one of the tamper-evident security holograms. Please note that these coins are sold unfunded, and do not contain or come with any actual digital Dogecoin value. If you are ever ready to spend the funds contained within the coin (if you've assembled & funded it), simply peel the hologram off of the coin to reveal the private key, which you can then import into your Dogecoin wallet of choice. (This concept can be confusing, just ask if you have any questions!)
The obverse of the coin features the word "SHIBANU" stamped across the top, representing its maker, with "50000 DOGE" (representing its suggested denomination, or face value) stamped across the bottom. A large "D" is stamped into the center, with a Shiba Inu dog leaning on the top, which represents the Doge meme. To the left and right of the large "D" are the phrases "Multus Moneta" and "Multus Fortuna", which roughly translate from Latin to English as "Much Money" and "Much Fortune". The large "D" in the center also has an X pattern behind it, and those surfaces are smooth and shiny strikes, while the background has a nice contrasting textured strike.
The reverse features the word "DOGECOIN" stamped across the top in an arched fashion with the year of issue "2015" stamped across the bottom. There is an indented circular area in the center on the reverse, where a private key can be placed and covered with the provided Shibanu tamper-evident security hologram, if you choose to assemble it and/or use it as a cold storage Dogecoin wallet. Shibanu's first holograms are very appealing on the eye with many different elements, layers, and colors, depending on which angle the coin is viewed from. They feature a repeating "SHIBANU" logo in the background with a dog's paw prints and a rocket heading to the moon in the center, which has a letter "D" and the maker's name "Shibanu". There is also a small window cut out in the center of the hologram so that the coin's "First Bits", or first 8 letters of a Dogecoin address, can be viewed to verify funds contained within.
These coins are DIY (Do It Yourself) physical Dogecoins and as such are sold as unfunded kits containing 1 coin and 1 tamper-evident security hologram. The positive aspect of buying a DIY physical Dogecoin is that you don't have to trust anyone with the private keys to your Dogecoin addresses (and Dogecoin funds). With your coin, your wallet's security will be in your own hands if you choose to generate, print, and place a private key within your coin. The tamper-evident security holograms are designed in a way that if somebody gained access to your physical coin and pulled off the hologram to access your private key, it would be obvious it had been compromised due to a visible honeycomb pattern left across the back of your coin. It is your choice if you want to print a private key and assemble your coin, or leave it un-assembled as it is sold. If you need help or have any questions about generating and printing private keys for your coin, just let us know and we will send you some helpful resources and instructions.
Payment Info.- Bitcoin and/or PayPal Friends & Family highly preferred at the moment (Please leave note/comment line blank if paying with PP F&F) but will also accept PP Goods & Services (add 3% to your total). Also, I almost forgot to add- I will also definitely accept Dogecoins as payment for these physical Dogecoins!
Shipping Info.- $2.25 for basic, tracked shipping in the US via First Class Parcel (no matter if you buy 1 or all 5 coins); this will be extremely well-packaged in a bubble mailer and comes with tracking and delivery confirmation for free. If you want Priority 2-Day (which includes $50 insurance), just add $5 to your total.
Always willing to ship international at cost, and can do so very affordably. PM if interested in buying overseas.
Also- I package very securely & discretely, and drop off each package by hand- so once it's shipped you own it unless you want to pay extra for insurance. I will say though I have never had a package lost out of hundreds (knock on wood..)
About Physical Bitcoins/other cryptos:
In 2011 a man named Mike Caldwell, an avid supporter of cryptography and Bitcoin, had an idea to mint physical coins that could represent digital Bitcoin value in a more conventional way, so that more people would be able to conceptualize and understand this new digital cryptocurrency technology. He came up with a way to mint a physical coin that actually contained the digital Bitcoin value it represented. On one side of the coin, he had a recessed groove stamped into it. He then securely and safely generated new Bitcoin address public & private keys, printing the private keys (needed to spend the funds) and placing them in the recessed groove. He then had complex & layered tamper-evident holograms created to cover the private key, which served 2 purposes: 1- these complex holograms made it harder to ever create a believable counterfeit of his coins, and 2- when the holograms were peeled back exposing the private key needed to spend the funds, it left a honeycomb pattern behind, which would instantly tell someone considering buying one on the 2nd market whether the coin still contained its valuable BTC funds, or if it had been spent. He called his coins Casascius physical Bitcoins, and they proved to be very popular, with several different denominations and Series released over a couple years' time. Today these coins are highly valued & sought after collectors' items. Many individuals, groups, and companies followed suit in the years that followed, designing and minting their own physical crypto coins. And that's where we are today with these coins I have for sale. :) I tried my best to explain how physical Bitcoins/Dogecoins/etc. work in a limited space, but it is hard to fully summarize such a topic in so few words, so if you have any questions just ask!
This can all sound so complicated and confusing to someone unfamiliar with Dogecoin/cryptocurrencies and how they work. If you have any questions about these coins or Dogecoin in general, please reach out to me via a message and I would be glad to help you out!
Thanks for Reading!
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Hidden Treasure - Casascius Bitcoin Value?

About four years ago in college, I was at a Libertarians meeting and someone presented the idea of Bitcoin, and gave me a physical coin with a code for 1 BTC printed on the back. At the time, it was worth about $10. I just had dinner with a friend of a friend who says that the physical coin has far outstripped the value of the BTC in it.
I'd like to figure out the approximate size of this nest egg, but I'm struggling to find an auction listing for my exact coin. It's always the wrong year or denomination. I was able to identify that the exact coin I have is a Casascius 1.0 BTC Brass, Series-2 (2012).
About how much is this worth if I sold today?
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Paypal and eBay have wronged me and others. Offering reward of 1- 5 Ltc Lealana coin. Paypal banned all bitcoin and others. Even physical coins. PLUS eBay forcing to list items in "classified" category. Froze all my accounts. "Bad faith"

Offering reward of 1- 5 Ltc Lealana silver funded coin. *see below. If you don’t care about his topic, please don’t waste your time reading it and please save your comments. Help from anyone here or anyone selling bitcoin type items that has been wronged by Paypal or eBay is much appreciated. Let's get David Marcus involved in tweets or whatever necessary to fix this. I saw a post from a few days ago where a reddit member was told he couldn't sell mining equip by paypal and it looks like it stirred up enough to get resolved. http://www.reddit.com/Bitcoin/comments/1v12p4/well_done_paypal_well_done_jerks/ (also see article from wired:) http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/paypal_bitcoin/ Paypal and eBay have being ruining my business and the business of others eBayers. They are operating in bad faith and bad business. They appear to be targeting established sellers with goods sales volume (and perfect feedback, go figure). Paypal banned all bitcoin and other e-currencies. Even physical coins. PLUS eBay forcing to list items in "classified" category. Froze all my accounts. "Bad faith" business by both as others continue to sell as auctions and accept paypal. Have emails to prove such. It started in Oct when Ppal said they considered sellers a "money services business", and threatened to freeze my accts if not stop using ppal for sales of bitcoin, or other e-currencies. I was selling paper wallets and physical coins. I provide insured s/h and del signature. NOT digital transfers subject to disputes. They instructed me to cancel all current listings and refund sales not yet shipped. I complied, much to dismay of buyers, and wasted a bunch of time explaining to buyers and disputing neg feedback, which all got resolved positively. I appealed to paypal compliance dept and acceptible use departments on the basis these are "physical items", not digitally delivered goods" or electronic currency. The physical metal coin is just a store of the numbers which correlate to an actual digital coin/currency. A metal coin in and of itself cannot technically be a bitcoin, it's actually a collectible. I asked for permission to at least sell the physical coins. “ 12/5/13
to compliance, aup, rswebhelp, bcc: me
Hello, I need paypal's immediate assistance. BITCOIN, LITECOIN, e-CURRENCY violations.
I am complying , however MY restriced use of paypal for these items in unfair and unethical business practices if OTHERS CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED to violate your policy with no consequences.
My account was restricted a few weeks ago and I have complied and since had it restored, I was informed you are working on the situation for prohibiting sellers who sell bitcoins, litecoins, or other e-currencies from accepting paypal as payment.
Per an email from ppal support, I was OFFICIALLY told in writing these items were not permitted and was asked to even report the items if seen on ebay.
There CURRENTLY are upwards of 1000 LISTINGS IN VIOLATION on ebay right now in related categories. MY LISTINGS WILL NOT sell as well or at all if I cannot accept paypal and others can. I just had a couple listings close with no bids that otherwise would have sold. THIS IS UNFAIR.
I will happily forward you listing numbers on ebay in violation, however a simple search for: bitcoin litecoin brings up hundreds and hundreds and I would assume paypal has compliance staff in place to easily accomplish this.
Kindly contact and limit these sellers as well. I had to cancel out and refund over 20 transactions a few weeks ago per paypal's advice due to your policies, much to the dismay of the buyers, and if this is to be enforced and is the policy, then other sellers need to be aware of this as well.
These sellers must be held to the same standards as I or any other seller is held. My credibility as a seller when stating I cannot accept paypal must also have basis and credibility, and this cannot be accomplished with other sellers having listings for the same items and accepting paypal.
You urgent assistance in this matter is much appreciated. Please reply to this and update me as to your course of action in this matter. Regards, ********* “
My biggest argument to them was that if I and others are to comply, it MUST BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. The ongoing,(still to this day) hundreds of listings on eBay for both digital and physical items which accept paypal as payment is blatant BS! They keep stating they are not targeting anyone and are trying to shut everyone down, but they just don't seem to do it. They even sent me a letter encouraging me to "report" listing number violations that I see, which I stated should be their job, and not a real difficult one at that, where they only have to search "bitcoin" on eBay to find all the voilators, and then click a button to send a msg to that ppal customer. I also recommended they get with eBay and have a programmer fix the payment options prompt to not offer paypal as an option. I moved forward, without a choice, and by early Dec I had been listing my items w/o ppal as option, offering skrill, propay, and bank dep/wire, and only having minor success and many cancelled sales from buyers who didn't read the listing, (which I described in detail the situation). Paypal cost me many sales and wasted a lot of my time. I thought I was in luck when paypl compliance dept finally answered my appeal on 12-8-13, and said: "Dear ****, In regards to your previous inquiry, PayPal’s Acceptable Use Policy for money service businesses does not permit our users to operate as a e-currency exchange, currency exchange or check cashing business. However, PayPal can be used to sell currency as a collectible in which sales of collectible currency cannot reach the threshold of $1,000 USD per person, per day. For further confirmation in regards to the use of PayPal for the sale of physical, collectible coins in relation to Bitcoins, you may want to submit a detailed item description so that it may be reviewed and to confirm compliance with PayPal’s Acceptable Use Policy. Sincerely, Alex PayPal Compliance Department" I read this as collectible format was ok, and the recommendation I "may" want to submit further info as that I had wasted enough time and honestly didn't want to rock the boat. Fast fwd to Jan 2, received this email, (again) : "Dear *****,
We have reviewed your PayPal account and found that you have been involved in the sale of electronic media exchange (such as electronic money or digital currency). Per our current Acceptable Use Policy for Money Service Businesses, PayPal may not be used for currency exchange including the sale of Litecoin and any form of ecurrency. To continue using your PayPal account, we need some additional information from you. Please provide us with a signed and notarized affidavit stating that you understand and will comply with PayPal's terms and conditions." Also received call from compliance same day saying they warned me before and will freeze account. The agent was very rude and condescending and I had him reference the letter received giving permission to sell currency to a particular daily threshold, which he did not interpret the same way. I asked, much to his dismay, to speak with supervisor, which he finally complied after 3 or 4 requests, Supervisor was cordial at least and said they are working to shut everyone down, and gave me an “extended date, since it sounded like I had been thru the ringer”, of 1-17-14 to comply and send in affidavit. A few days later, eBay cancelled all my listings on 2 separate accounts and suspended my one account for 3 days. They now state, verbatim: "Jan 8, 2014, eBay eBay sent this message to ****** (cflow01). Your registered name is included to show this message came from eBay. Learn more about how to tell if an email is really from eBay. MC999 Listing policy violation alert: Digitally Delivered Goods Hello cflow01, After reviewing your eBay account, it appears that you have violated eBay's Digitally Delivered Goods policy. As a result, we've taken the following action on your account: - Violating listings have been removed. A list of removed items is available further down in this email. - We have credited all associated fees except for the final value fee for your listing(s).
Listing digitally delivered goods outside of the Classified Ad format in the Everything Else > Informational products category is not allowed.
The guidelines for digitally delivered goods help prevent feedback manipulation or artificial increases in eBay seller ratings. The guidelines also help protect members by preventing item listings that may infringe on the intellectual property rights of others.
You can list most digitally delivered goods, but only if you use the Classified Ad format and list your item in the Everything Else > Information Products category.
Here's more information on our policy: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/downloadable.html
Virtual currency such as Bitcoin, Peercoin, Litecoin, and others, can only be listed in the Classified Ad format. Additionally, PayPal prohibits the transfer of funds for transactions related to virtual currency, therefore PayPal cannot be offered as a payment method for these items.
If you have more questions, contact our policy experts: http://ocsnext.ebay.com/ocs/cusr?query=1387&domain=email1254
Please be sure your future listings follow these guidelines. If they don't, they may be removed, and you may be subject to a range of other actions, including restrictions of your buying and selling privileges and suspension of your account.
Here are the listings that were removed: 291052195953 - Litecoin 5 Ltc .25 oz Physical Lealana Silver Coin (Not Bitcoin, PPC, Digital) 291052200502 - Litecoin 10 Ltc Physical Lealana .999 Silver Coin (Not Bitcoin, PPC,FTC,Digital) 291052372404 - Titan Physical Bitcoin btc high security (Not Casascius, Litecoin, Ftc) We appreciate your understanding. Thanks, eBay "
If you note, they even state you can't use paypal. If fact, in an interview with cnet on Dec 10: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57615080-93/paypal-president-david-marcus-bitcoin-is-good-nfc-is-bad/ Mr. Marcus, paypal president states: "I really like Bitcoin. I own bitcoins." "People are confused. They think because it's called cryptocurrency it's a currency. I don't think it is a currency. It's a store of value, a distributed ledger." How can paypal and eBay say you are selling a digital currency when the very president of Paypal states it's not even a currency?
Bottom line, Paypal and eBay are in the wrong here, at least in the fact they are acting in bad faith and in bad business in targeting certain sellers and not holding everyone to the same standards. Let's get Mr. Marcus involved here. Let's hold them accountable and at least consistent in their rules. Spread the word, especially if you are one of the ones being wronged. Let's get this resolved, let's band together, let's seek legal action if need be. ( I have spoken to my friend, an attorney briefly.) *I will even give that 5 Ltc coin mentioned above to the person who helps most if we can get Paypal and eBay to see the light and allow the use of paypal or the use of standard ebay listing formats, or at least get them to guarantee in writing (and actually honor it) to make everyone follow the rules. Sorry for the long post here, but this is one of the most frustrating things I have had to deal with in a long time and they are truly hurting our credibility and ability to sell in a fair marketplace. I, like many I am sure, have a lot invested in this. Please help! Thank you in advance!
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